>I have some questions from the information on the Yahoo HomePage
>I'll address item by item:
>>
>>What is "PEP-talk"?
>>"P(ost) E(volutionary) P(hilosophy) Talk" is the kind of talk people
>>would do "in the Future" - AFTER they'd awoken to the world and to Life and to
>>themselves - you know, information from the "other side".
>>

>I can't see how that kind of talk would be
>any different than ordinary talk. Got any examples?

Since I made up this version of the game, I know where to find examples of "PEP-talks" (which, of course, is just a symbol, and the purpose of this List is to reveal what is behind it), but I can't show them to you, or give them to you, for that would be violating the Second Vow in the Vow of Silence - YOU have to show them to you, give them to you, or this list. I also can not prove they exist or don't exist in Life. But, nevertheless, that's the claim, and I stand by it, firmly, unshakably.

One clue to all this, is that there is no self-reference, AT ALL, in a PEP-talk. That it's the closest one could conceivably come to being Objective. There are things "going on" on this planet, within people, and no one really has a clue about it, or even cares to know about it. Some people just want to know more than others, and if they can shift their "point of observation" from where it is today, they will begin seeing new things, learning new things, that will astound them.

All the "teachings" and "systems" you know about, are about becoming "Objective", "Cosmically Conscious", and all that, but the methods are completely out-dated. The best the world has to offer, after 5 thousand years of talking about this stuff, is Mindfulness, Self-remembering - usually just called "Waking Up" - yet, literally NO ONE can do it, with sufficient intensity to achieve the supposed, desired results. It is clear, to a reasonably "interested-in-these-matters" person, that New Information is going to be necessary, or else, they are doomed to failure.

New information exists, and some people can access it. There are known ways to accomplish this, and "PEP-talks" are merely ways to talk about New information, that does not corrupt it to the point that it becomes immediately impotent and worthless.

>>This group, then, is for people interested in "what's Really going on",
>>"in-here" and "out-there", AS IF they had already achieved ALL that
>>people(today) say they "wish for themselves" (being conscious, in control
>>with understanding) - 5d understanding of the 3d world. This is not a
>>"writing class". This is an experiment in thinking in a new way.

>I can relate to acting/doing AS IF, but really
>dont see any difference in talking except that
>it would be a part of the doing.

No argument.
Consider a group of people, friends of yours - enlightened beings, conscious humans, walking buddhas, whatever - what do THEY do with other when they are together, what do they talk about, how do they view each other? Even if you don't have such a group of friends, of which you are a member, do you really think they'd carry on the way people do on your other Yahoo eLists (I read those lists - well, I don't READ them, but scan who's still posting, and what they're still talking about, and how they're doing it.)

Do you really believe they'd all the time be trying to PROVE themselves to others, in any way shape or form? It's laughable. It's a sign that Life is alive and functioning apace, that's all. But it's certainly NOT proof that those people have a CLUE what they're talking about. They are lying to themselves and others, and for a very KNOWABLE reason, which, even if I were to tell them, face to face, they'd NOT get it.

Action and Thinking-of-action are two halves of a very special "coin-of-the-realm" and only Humans have such to spend any way they choose. And look at the way some of the humans spend theirs. It's really laughable.

>>After you acquired your "Primary Language" (that which connects YOU to
>>LIFE, and enables further growth of the intellect) at birth,

>Have you got another word besides "primary language" cause it
>doesn't seem like a "language" to me that connects me to LIFE.
>Except perhaps a cellular "language".

That's right. Check it out...
Humans do not speak, brain cells speak, and humans are merely "translators" of a foreign language fed to them by Life! And not very good ones, at that - due to the babble of the Secondary Acquired Language. But, it works, "well enough" to get the machine of Life cranked up to operating speed and build the civilization that Life uses to propogate itself at this level. Human thought and speech is the very leading edge of Life's growth on this planet. Men are not growing more fingers or toes, but are growing more neural connections, and evolution is about that growth. Except that one lifetime is so short, that one doesn't get to benefit by it - that's why you've got to speed that growth up, somehow, if you're ever to benefit by it. But Life and your life is absolutely and totally wired to keep that from happening. And no one alive today that you personally know, knows how to alter that fact of reality.

I'm not suggesting that I know - too bad, huh? If I did know, then I'd just tell you, and then you'd start evolving on purpose, too.

But, I'll tell you one thing for sure. Count on it...
There are people alive on this planet today, in America, who not only DO know, but have known for some years now, and are doing it - realtime. And if you brush up against that, you'll understand why I say that no one (else) alive today even has a CLUE what's possible, and certainly has not a clue how to talk about it satisfactorily so that someone could comprehend it.

>>you acquired a "Secondary Language" (spoken) thru ordinary education,
>>and if you somehow "discovered" there was "more-to-life-than-meets-the-eye",
>>you may have even acquired a "Tertiary Language" ('work' language) in some
>>'school', and may even retain the notion that this is somehow necessary
>>to understand and speak about your own inner-workings.

>The whole description of pep-talk, and the language used here
>("from the future, P.E.P, other side, new information, noise")
>seems to me like a home brewed tertiary language, a specific language
>created to describe inner-workings. I actually like the language, but
>it seems to violate your own code.

That's fair enough.
I would say, no violation, because, for example, unlike the 4thway, I have not applied special definitions to the English words you already know. Everything I write, uses pure English, and I have no need of any special words, like Centers, Features, Chakras, Souls, Spirits, Gods, Devils, and the millions of other Tertiary words that ARE work language to some group of people. While one may USE those words, the points can made without them. But just TRY to explain the intellectual part of the emotional center, or TRAMP feature, without using code words - can't do it.

We're trying to MAP the brain with words and made-up images, in order to discover methods to navigate up to the edge of a fence and then jump over it, and there ARE no English terms in some cases to adequately convey, that which has never BEEN conveyed to another human. So, if what you're hearing sounds like code words, know, that they are NOT code words.

>>The members of this group desire to discuss their "travels",
>>"investigations", "inquiries", "discoveries", "musings", but choose to
>>discuss them WITHOUT the use of any acquired "Tertiary Language". It is
>>anattempt to operate from that part in your brain where your neurons meet the
>>linoleum.
>>Only ENGLISH spoken here, meaning "if you can't say it in simple,
>>everydayEnglish, then you don't really understand it". Hence, NO
>>Tertiary "Work Language" allowed.

>I don't think you are using simple everyday English either.
>The words are English, yes, but rife with "other meaning".

I don't completely agree - but, I'm certainly trying to speak plainly!
Maybe what you're noticing is me supplying an ad-hoc MORE PRECISE definition of a word, that has never had such a precise, correct, definition. That's not Work language, that's an attempt to clarify a misnomer, or incorrectly defined word.

In any case, all this has little relevance.
Perhaps the paragraphs will just be deleted.

The only real point I was trying to make was, don't refer to 4thway, or Buddhist or Christian symbologies - just speak conversational English as though you were talking to your next door neighbor who knows about none of this. That's why on the fifthway list, I said the ONLY work-term allowable was Self-remembering. It's a common thread running through absolutely EVERY teaching about evolution, so it can be used. But, I've since cast that one into the dumper, preferring to go with the more precise, "IT-remembering" or just, "observing 'that' which is leading your life".

>>I am an active subscriber to 10 lists (4thway, non-dual, scientific,
>>etc.). none of which are really that
>>interesting to me - content-wise - but I am interested to continually
>>observe HOW and WHY people discuss the information

>Can you really know the how and why of what other
>people do just by observing their written words?

Of course. You can too. And, you do, though perhaps without specifically NOTING it consciously. But it shapes WHAT you comprehend of what they wrote, and WHAT you ultimately reply if you do - and without your specific awareness of the process occurring in real time.

Talk is the supreme, sophisticated, transfer of energy at this level. People say, in most cases, the only things they CAN say, in the only way they CAN say them. And, people would NOT say certain things, if they knew certain other things about what a Human is (a system within a larger system within a larger system), and how Life uses Humans for it's own, quite specific and knowable purposes (though the number of people alive at any one time that know what Life is up to probably numbers in the 10's or 100's at most.)

How they discuss info, is by argument: question and answer - without understanding that NO ONE understands where the Questions come from, or WHY they (or the other guy) asked it, and further, without understanding that NO ONE CAN know what the Answer is, though they believe that they can know them, and in fact, DO know them. Humans must believe they can and do know just about everything, for if they ever started discovering that they know absolutely nothing, without the proper support, they'd go insane.

This stuff I'm doing is about going insane - loosening the grip of ordinary memory and information (the noise) - without the ill effects of going insane taking over, by moving to another place in the brain and growing that part, intentionally. Mutating, on purpose.

>Are people attempting this stuff, really evolving rightly, and
>are they "more evolved" than anyone else?

It could be more properly stated, "more weird", or "more interested in stuff no one else seems to be interested in", or "less likely to take EVERYBODY who ever called himself a teacher, seriously", or "more aware of the FACT that they know nothing (about sleep, about awakening) - while the rest of world knows everything - but they don't care either way".

Thanks for the questions.